Vlad Tepes: I don't mind the cruelty, do you?

[Guest]

Fool dozens of websites give he impaled women like i gave an example above you blind brainwashed.FACE THE TRUTH





Obviously ultra nationalist Romanian

[Vlad]

Who's in the picture? Ataturk??? - Look who's talking about being ultra nationalist

[Guest]

I am not talking nationalistic crap unlike you here,Ataturk was a republican and founder of Turkiye.There are differences between nationalism and patriotism,and i respected your thoughts..you didnt

[Vlad]

You did not answer the question. Is it Ataturk?

[Vlad]

Nationalistic versus Patriotism?





Remember now, before you venture to answer, a terrorist is also considered another country's freedom fighter.

[Guest]

I thought you already knew who he is.He is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk





# Remember now, before you venture to answer, a terrorist is also considered another country's freedom fighter. #





That is so true,but people can sperate who is a real terrorist like Osama and who is not like Ataturk.They also can guess (and hisotry they lived can teach them) who is a barbarian (by murdering tactics) who is not.It has a global meaning on minds

[Vlad]

Vlad Tepes was a freedom fighter for Romania and Europe, while the Ottoman Empire considered him a terrorist. RIGHT??





Quod Erat Demonstrandum. I rest my case.

[Guest]

Yeah he was a freedom fighter for Romania,i already confirm that but that doesnt mean he wasnt a coward to run away when he was screwed up.Remember...#gentleman war#

[Vlad]

JESUS, you think of WARS as of a Tennis match??


You must be out of your skull.





Next time you play tennis, remember NOT to run backwards.

[Dark Witch]

First of all sorry for responding so late but by job's requirements were many lately.





I'm still very busy, so I will frankly say that I didn't have the time nor the will to study books or to google my response.





Turk (really, is that your name or just another sign of "patriotism"?),





Here is what I believe about the article at Vima:





1)Ottman authorities might have not intened to make islamic pressure on the Greeks, but most of the Turks who ruled the various greek territories did.





2)It is true that many families willingly sent their boys to become janissaries. Imagine what their standard of living was, that they sent their kids to the enemies in order for them to have a better future! Oh they should be having so much fun!


(Many thinking persons have been ispired from what was happening to us for four centuries like Lord Byron, Delacroix, Hugo etc.)





3)Spoken greek could have not been prohibited of course. But education on written greek, ancient greek, Christianity bla bla bla was strictly forbidden. And yes, there were secret schools. I don't care if you believe it or not, but here in Greece we remember these from our ancestors and elderly people who keep the tradition alive.








4)Who our real enemy was/is is none of your interest. Apart from the Katholic church, we have other enemies, too.





5)Independence STARTED and was aided by LOTS OF REVOLTS.





6)Greece was helped during the struggle for freedom (thank God)





7)...and by Serbians, too.





8)The great powers of the time definately "helped" for their own purposes, by loaning us money and by deciding things that were to harm us in the long run. (I have mentioned that in other posts and I strongly rejected the term "they aided us")





9)Turks lost the land they had cocquered, not "theirs".





10)...well, I didn't quite understand your syntax at this last statement. Do you mean the civiliens' exchanges between Athens and Turkey? Are you referring to the Greeks that lived in Constantinople?





And so that you know, during our 2000 years of history (I hate to repeat myself) we have suffered many wars which were all defensive, with the only exception of Alexander the Great. Read his story and you might re-consider your ideas on Gentleman war etc.








As for what Mrs Ariana Ferentinou wrote, I disagree. At no greek school are children taught to hate the turks. I have conversations with young people and I must assure you that the latest generations in Greece are not racists (for the older ones, I'm not to speak about). Not at all and with no foreigners. We have many foreigners living in Greece. Most of the Greeks believe that all humans should be united, from whatever country they come from. I sadly say that, because I believe that one should support his country without becoming a racist. And that is basicly because many countries still wish to conquer others etc. But that is another big issue on which I will not expand at present.





And something last now:


Here in Greece (a place where one might question the civilization) there is freedom of thought and in writing. One can write whatever he wants on a newspaper, without any censorship. And the rest of us who read, don't deify the newspapres or the authors. We sipmly appreciate the text. Do you know why? Because there is democracy and people are free to read and write whatever they wish. The Vima is a well-respected newspaper, but here in Greece we don't make gods out of persons. Just because the Vima is indeed a good newspaper, that doesn't mean that everyone bows before it. This is democracy, my friend.


What did you expect? That you'd say "the Vima guys!" and we'd worship your statements? Maybe you've learnt to bow your head before ONE ruler but some others don't.





Sleep on it. Other than that, I 've spent more time than I expected with this post, trying to prove the truth. I'm a busy person and I prefere to deal with important things.

[Vlad]

How THEY feel about Turks ??

[Dark Witch]

...this is another looong story.

[Guest]

Turk (really, is that your name or just another sign of "patriotism"?),



And something last now:

Here in Greece (a place where one might question the civilization) there is freedom of thought and in writing. One can write whatever he wants on a newspaper, without any censorship. And the rest of us who read, don't deify the newspapres or the authors. We sipmly appreciate the text. Do you know why? Because there is democracy and people are free to read and write whatever they wish. The Vima is a well-respected newspaper, but here in Greece we don't make gods out of persons. Just because the Vima is indeed a good newspaper, that doesn't mean that everyone bows before it. This is democracy, my friend.

What did you expect? That you'd say "the Vima guys!" and we'd worship your statements? Maybe you've learnt to bow your head before ONE ruler but some others don't.



Sleep on it. Other than that, I 've spent more time than I expected with this post, trying to prove the truth. I'm a busy person and I prefere to deal with important things.

Well well well..i bet your thought about Turkiye are still living in 1453s..Turkiye has also freedom of press,thought,writing bla bla bla ..Dont try to teach me what democracy is,Greeks are the latest folk on earth to teach us that.If democracy is supporting PKK terrorists against your neighbour country Turkiye then you are right to name it as # democracy # it is just one point of Greek hypocrisy from thousands (dont hesitate to want me to prove you if you wanna see incidents about this issue in your next coming post)





And your some of your points already approves my claims..Anyway nice to see Greece has one honest newspaper Vima to tell the truths.. (at least)That's all for now,i will be back..you arent only one who have things to do i am a medicine student but willing to learn new things however i should waste more time





(My real name is Tutku)

[Vlad]

"Dont try to teach me what democracy is,Greeks are the latest folk on earth to teach us that."





You must be joking, right??





GREEKS invented and BRANDED DEMOCRACY.





You are truely out of line, on this one at least.


Go back to your history classes.





Where did TURKS come from, anyway??


The Mongolian steppes?? Please answer, because I never did investigate the history of the Ottoman Empire, even though the best HISTORY of the Ottoman Empire was written by Dimitrie Cantemir, a Romanian from Moldova.


Life is too short to study everything, I guess.

[Guest]

"Dont try to teach me what democracy is,Greeks are the latest folk on earth to teach us that."



You must be joking, right??



GREEKS invented and BRANDED DEMOCRACY.



Where did TURKS come from, anyway??

The Mongolian steppes?? Please answer, because I never did investigate the history of the Ottoman Empire, even though the best HISTORY of the Ottoman Empire was written by Dimitrie Cantemir, a Romanian from Moldova.

Life is too short to study everything, I guess.

I am talking about democracy of TODAY'S Greece








Actually Huns're ancestors of Turks some historians say





the Xiongnu language was Samoyedic rather than Turkic. 6th century references to the word now pronounced in Modern Chinese as Tujue are the first recorded use of "Turk" as a political name. Turks lived as nomadic clans for many years before establishing a political state (Göktürk empire). Turkic nationalists have claimed that the expansion of proto-Turkic peoples across Eurasia involved the Scythians (Ishkuz), Xiongnu, Huns, Sarmatians, Khazars, Pechenegs, Alans, Cimmerians, Massagetae and other steppe populations. While some of these peoples may have represented, to some extent, a proto-Turkic or Turkic tribe or confederation.Later Turkic peoples include the Karluks (mainly 8th century), Uyghurs, Kirghiz, Oghuz (or Ğuz) Turks, and Turkmens. As these peoples were founding states in the area between Mongolia and Transoxiana, they came into contact with Muslims, and most gradually adopted Islam. However, there were also (and still are) small groups of Turkic people belonging to other religions, including Christians, Jews (see Khazars), Buddhists, and Zoroastrians.Turkic soldiers in the army of the Abbasid caliphs emerged as the de facto rulers of most of the Muslim Middle East (apart from Syria and Egypt), particularly after the 10th century. The Oghuz and other tribes captured and dominated various countries under the leadership of the Seljuk dynasty, and eventually captured the territories of the Abbasid dynasty and the Byzantine Empire.





Meanwhile, the Kirghiz and Uyghurs were struggling with one another and with the Chinese Empire. The Kirghiz people ultimately settled in the region now referred to as Kyrgyzstan. The Tatar peoples conquered the Volga Bulgars in what is today Tatarstan, following the westward sweep of the Mongols under Genghis Khan in the 13th century. The Bulgars were thus mistakenly called Tatars by the Russians. Native Tatars live only in Asia; European "Tatars" are in fact Bulgars. Other Bulgars settled in Europe in the 7-8th centuries, exchanging their original Turkic tongue for what eventually became the Slavic Bulgarian language. Everywhere, Turkic groups mixed with the local populations to varying degrees.


As the Seljuk Empire declined following the Mongol invasion, the Ottoman Empire emerged as the new important Turkic state, that came to dominate not only the Middle East, but even southeastern Europe, parts of southwestern Russia, and northern Africa.





The Ottoman Empire gradually grew weaker in the face of maladministration, repeated wars with Russia and Austro-Hungary, and the emergence of nationalist movements in the Balkans, and it finally gave way after World War I to the present-day republic of Turkey.