Vlad Tepes: I don't mind the cruelty, do you?

[Guest]

The Huns





The first Turkish tribe that is mentioned in history is the Huns. Clear records about the Huns made their appearance in the 8th century B.C. Chinese sources refer to the Huns as Hiung-nu and in time, some of the Huns migrated to the West.


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The Gokturks





Founded in 552 AD by Bumin Khan, the Gokturks engaged in widespread diplomatic activity. The famed Orhun epitaphs from this period are made up of the tombstone inscriptions of Tonyukuk (d.720), Kültigin (d.731) and Bilge Kagan (d.734)


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The Uygurs





The rule of the Göktürks was brought to an end in the year 745 by the Uygurs, who were of the same ethnic stock as themselves. In this manner all the Turks who had converged under the banner of the Göktürks were dispersed to that of the Uygurs that the agricultural basin where they lived became known as Turkistan. In the year 1229, the Mongols put an end to Uygur sovereignty; the Uygurs however, became their cultural and political mentors.


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The Turks and Islam





Contacts between the Turks and Moslems commenced at the beginning of the 8th century and some of the Turks began to favour Islam. However the pro-Arab policies of the Omayads (661-750 A.D) restricted these relations somewhat. Later, many Moslem Turks took office in the Abbside government and because of this, great interest in the Islamic world spread among the Turks beyond the River Ceyhun. Commercial caravans also played a major role in the spread of Islam into the steppes of Central Asia. The Turks became fully Moslem by the 10th century, and this resulted in the achievement to political unity. Following these developments, the first Moslem Turkish state was formed by the Karahans.


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The Karahans





The Karahans ruled between 990-1212 in Turkistan and Maveraünnehir. The reign of the Karahans is especially significant from the point of view of Turkish culture and art history. It is during this period that mosques, schools, bridges and caravansarays were constructed in the cities. Buhara and Samarkand became centres of learning. In the period, the Turkish language found the means to develop. Among the most important works of the period is Kutadgu Bilik (translated as "The Knowledge That Gives Happiness") written by Yusuf Has Hacib, between the years 1069-1070.


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The Ghaznavids





The Ghaznavi state was formed in the year 963 by the Turkish ruler Sevuktekin and is one of the first Moslem Turkish states and worked relentlessly for the expansion of Islam in India. The Ghaznavids finally collapsed in 1186 and were assimilated by the Oguz.


The Turkish scholar Ebu Reyhan el-Beyruni makes this period an important one within Islamic cultural history and wrote the famed work by the poet Firdevsi, the ?ehname, was also written in this period (A.D. 1009)


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The Seljuks





The Oguz, who destroyed the Ghaznavid state, succeeded in bringing Anatolia, Iraq, the southern part of the Caucasus, Azerbaijan and the north of Iran under Turkish rule. The O?uz had first formed the Göktürk Empire in the 6th century; after the expansion of Islam among the Turks, but among the Turks the Oguz came to be called the Turkmens.





Tuğrul Bey and Çağry (Çakyr) Bey were the grandsons of Seljuks whose name the Seljuks Dynasty adopted. In their time they, and the O?uz, known as the Seljuks in history, subdued Horasan, defeated the Ghaznavid ruler Mesud in Dandanakan Battle and established the Great Seljuk empire in 1040.





In 1071, Alp Arslan (1063-1072) fought the battle of Malazgirt and having defeated the Byzantine Emperor's forces in this battle opened the doors of Anatolia to the Moslem Turk.





The year 1071 is considered to be the beginning of the Turks and that of Islam Anatolia. It is following this date that the Turks fully conquered the whole of Anatolia and established the Anatolian Seljuk state there as a part of the great Seljuk Empire.





The first schooling institutions, the Moslem theological medreses, were formed in Anatolia during the time of Kylyç Arslan (1153-1192), one in Konya and the other in Aksaray. Following the establishment of these two medreses the medreses of Syrcaly in Konya (1242-1243), Karatay (1251), Ynce Minareli (1251-1253), Atabekkiye (after 1251-1268), Gökmedrese in Sivas (1271), Buruciye (1271-1272), Çifte Minareli (1271), and the Cacoglu in Kirsehir (1272) were established.





The Seljuks also attributed much importance to the medical sciences and in almost all their cities medical institutions called Darush-Shifa, Darul-Afiye and Darus-Sihna and hospitals were set up. The main medical treatment centres are the Gevher Nesibe in Kayseri (1205), the Izzettin I Keykavus in Sivas (1217), the Torumtay in Amasya (1266), the Muinuddin Pervane in Tokat (1275) and the Pervaneoglu Ali in Kastamonu (1272).





Because of the Persian influence coming from Iran among the intellectuals, the administrators, the men of arts and the traders, the Anatolian Seljuk state became increasingly affected by Iranian culture and language.


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and it goes on....





Shortly,these nations have Turkish blood in their veins





Altays (Oirots)


Azerbaijanis


Balkars (along with Karachays, speakers of the Karachay-Balkar language)


Bashkirs (note that there is only a dialect difference between Bashkirs and Tatars)


Chulyms


Chuvashs


Crimean Tatars


Dolgans


Gagauz


Karachays (along with Balkars, speakers of the Karachay-Balkar language)


Crimean Karaites


Karakalpaks


Kazakhs


Khakas


Kirghiz


Krymchaks (speak a modified form of Crimean Tatar)


Kumyks


Nogais


Qashqai


Siberian Tatars


Tatars (note that there is only a dialect difference between Tatars and Bashkirs)


Volga Tatars (or Kazan Tatars)


Tofalars


Turkmens


Turks of Turkey (see also Ottoman Turks)


Turkish Cypriots


Tuvans


Urums


Uyghur


Uzbeks


Yakuts


Yörüks

[Vlad]

For your INSIGHT and the History you presented here.





However, in your description and listing, you forgot to mention Atilla the HUN (500 ad) and also the Magyars (900 ad), who shared the same Mongolic ancestry, even though they tried to invade Europe at different times.





How is it that different tribes, at different times, coming from the same Mongolian steppes, tenderizing the same meat under the same type of saddles, spread some at the SOUTH of the Danube, some at the North, in today's Hungary??


Was there a NUCLEUS, called DACIA, of THRACIAN origin that kicked Mongolian asses?? AND THEY COULD NOT CONQUER IT??

[Dark Witch]

...what are you trying to prove anyway, Turk?





The truth is that if Greece is about 20 years behind the western european countries and the US, you are 50 years behind us. And if you hadn't conquered us for 400 years, we wouldn't behind, but we could be leading, too.





Only the western coasts of Turkey are decent and that is because greeks were living there. Inside Turkey, somewhere between your endless regions, women are still head-dressed, children play football with ill-chicken heads and YES hatred for Greece is still breeding. We're not the racists, you are. If you're not, why do you fly your combative aircrafts over OUR Aegean sea all the time?





And if I need knowledge, I will find it. In books, on the internet, during endless conversations, but not with arrogant nationalists. I stick at "YOU'RE WASTING MY TIME" and I am not to be taught from you what knowledge is and how one gains it. I never questioned your craving for learning or your ways to it, student doctor.

[Guest]

...what are you trying to prove anyway, Turk?



Only the western coasts of Turkey are decent and that is because greeks were living there. Inside Turkey, somewhere between your endless regions, women are still head-dressed, children play football with ill-chicken heads and YES hatred for Greece is still breeding. We're not the racists, you are. If you're not, why do you fly your combative aircrafts over OUR Aegean sea all the time?



And if I need knowledge, I will find it. In books, on the internet, during endless conversations, but not with arrogant nationalists. I stick at "YOU'RE WASTING MY TIME" and I am not to be taught from you what knowledge is and how one gains it. I never questioned your craving for learning or your ways to it, student doctor.

I made your lies clear,so what's wrong?I proved with Vıma's news..I showed how liar most of Greeks are,i DONT need to prove i am not racist..waste of time..


Your Aegean sea???? Who claims Aegea belongs to you?Brainwashed Greek media or ultra nationalist ''junta s'' ??


You made my day..





http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... ean7mo.jpg





Distribution of Aegean: Greece - 35%, Turkey - 9%. Assume both countries have decided to push their borders to 12 miles





Article 15 : Delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts





Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other, neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to the contrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. The above provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of historic title or other SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES to delimit the territorial seas of the two States in a way which is at variance therewith.





Article 122 : Definition





For the purposes of this Convention, "enclosed or semi-enclosed sea" means a gulf, basin or sea surrounded by two or more States and connected to another sea or the ocean by a narrow outlet or consisting entirely or primarily of the territorial seas and exclusive economic zones of two or more coastal States.





Article 123 : Cooperation of States bordering enclosed or semi-enclosed seas





States bordering an enclosed or semi-enclosed sea should cooperate with each other in the exercise of their rights and in the performance of their duties under this Convention. To this end they shall endeavour, directly or through an appropriate regional organization:





(a) to coordinate the management, conservation, exploration and exploitation of the living resources of the sea;





(b) to coordinate the implementation of their rights and duties with respect to the protection and preservation of the marine environment;





(c) to coordinate their scientific research policies and undertake where appropriate joint programmes of scientific research in the area;





(d) to invite, as appropriate, other interested States or international organizations to cooperate with them in furtherance of the provisions of this article.





Article 300 : Good faith and abuse of rights





States Parties shall fulfil in good faith the obligations assumed under this Convention and shall exercise the rights, jurisdiction and freedoms recognized in this Convention in a manner which would not constitute an abuse of right.





Cooperation is essential, my dear friend... Cooperation. Not forgetting the mutual agreements which took place in the past 70 years. Greece proposed to further her territorial sea to 6 miles in 1936, and Turkey accepted that. And even further, Turkey waited almost 30 years (until 1964) to raise her own territorial sea to 6 miles. Mutually accepted. So what now? However... if Greece's intention is to turn the Aegean Sea into an inner sea or a lake, then I've got nothing to add here.





My friend..read UN Convention On The Law of The See,use this link





http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_ ... osindx.htm








(If you are offended/irritated/bothered of OUR conversation,you can leave this topic,it is all BASIC like that,i am not using force to make you reply me here)





Please no whiney where the sun don't shine !!!

[Shish-kabob-Forrest]

You should check this Webpage out:





http://www.paladinrepublic.com/vladphsyc.htm





Although focused on psychology, it touches this subject deeply; even pointing out that janos Hunyadi may have put Vlad III on the throne of Wallachia even if he foresaw vlads reign of terror given the circumstances as the lesser of the 2 evils.


As I pointed out in the article, I can't say I agree with everything Vlad III did, but I can say that his reign was necessary given the circumstances and certainly agree with Janos Hunyadis decision regardless of whether or not he foresaw Vlad IIIs reign of terror. It would have been great to put a better person they’re who would have been more just but equally affective. The problem is that such person did not exist to anyone’s knowledge.

[Dark Witch]

For the readers that are NOT Greek or Turk,





the Aegean sea has been hosting the Greek people for approximately 4000 years.





The Turks fly their combat aircrafts over the greek Aegean sea, irritating the Greeks and the EU (which you will never be part of, if you continuou like this, Turk.) All the media worldwide refer to this matter often. In which world do you live in???

[Vlad]

Isn't it funny how TURK disappeared?


I wonder why





Could it be a Muslim Convention going on?





Or could it be the beginnings of WWIII??

[Vlad]

http://www.paladinrepublic.com/vladphsyc.htm





Thanks for the link to the web site that says, as I always said:





"Despite the holocaust, Walachia was a better place when Vlad died then it was when he was born, and it more then likely would have been far worse by the time


had he never lived. Indeed, had it not been for him, you and I may be speaking a Muslim language today."





Quod ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM.

[Shish-kabob-Forrest]

Additionally, I think allot of people miss the fact that in those days, you had spiritual certainty, rappid death by plague, weather, dispute, war etc., in addition to the fact that with shifting powers, it was nearley impossible to get anyone to take the threat of a lengthy prison sentince seriousley (although lengthy prison sentinces were not uncommon) making it to where the threat of quick and painless death would only get you laughed at, therefor you HAD to be bruital to get anyone to behave.

[Guest]

For the readers that are NOT Greek or Turk,



the Aegean sea has been hosting the Greek people for approximately 4000 years.



The Turks fly their combat aircrafts over the greek Aegean sea, irritating the Greeks and the EU (which you will never be part of, if you continuou like this, Turk.) All the media worldwide refer to this matter often. In which world do you live in???

Thanks for this BIG laugh EU has nothing to do with dogfights over Aegean Sea between Türkye and Greece.Read some about requirements related with EU relations then come back here to debate,okay greek girl?





And who the beep myself wants to be a part of Union of Onions??Not me as long as Greek extremists are there

[Guest]

Isn't it funny how TURK disappeared?

I wonder why



Could it be a Muslim Convention going on?



Or could it be the beginnings of WWIII??

Ehm..Vlad..i have a life (i am sure i already told it before) unlike you..i have lots of things to do..i cant spend all my life on virtual bullshit.. but i will visit this website from time to time..to have some fun

[Shish-kabob-Forrest]

He's definitely not a Muslim, at least, not a practicing one.


Pleased to met you Turk.


Forgive me, as I do not think on egotistic terms therefore, often fail to take other peoples egos in to account (SillyLag for instance, I really do think of the name from a positive prospective.


I really don't know anything about you but from the only 3 posts by you I’ve read (which don’t give me much to go by), I think I will find you entertaining and interesting. No, there is no smart alic meaning behind this post. Take it at face value. My lack of specifics is due to my lack of knowledge to base any opinion on.

[Vlad]

Romania earned her DUES. Struggled through the centuries. Has always been there for the last 2000 years and beyond.


PERIOD.





Those unwilling to face this reality and acknowledge Romania's contribution to the civilized Europe and therefore late comer America, are nothing but douche bags.





START by reading a very well documented WEB site such as this:


http://www.friesian.com/romania.htm#second





Other than that, EU can all go to hell, since it did not give a damn about ROMANIA, when she needed help. On the contrary, left ROMANIA on communist hands for 50 years.





EU: Think this will ever be forgotten???

[Ketu]

I do I don't care for any cruelty posted on this thread which is the most read. As a matter of fact I have read very little before posting this reply. This is my opinion about cruelty in this world. It is possible to live without it.

[Phoenix]

The Ottoman Empire Sodomized Lebanon for over 300 years!!! i'd say WAY TO GO VLADY!!!!!!!!!!!!