Vlad Tepes: I don't mind the cruelty, do you?

[Dark Witch]

Ok I come from the Balkans and the Turks owe us much. The Ottmans just appeared somewhen in the 12-13th century and decided to fight "the free people of the world" like Sauron ( I wonder where was Frodo and his ring back then ha ha). They were brutal, no doubt. They ruined our civilization in Constantinople and kept Greece back for four centuries. The Byzantin Empire was so great and it was ended by some barbarians. I can't say they deserved to be impaled but it was a good thing that somebody faught them back. Sometimes extreme violence might have positive results and specifically with the Turks, violence cut their way and held them a bit back. We have an interesting saying in Greece: "bullshit is always returned" (ok the translation sucks, what I mean is that when you do harm you usually get it back later)

[webmaster]

Yes, you are right. What goes around, comes around (like a boomerang, the aussies might say). It's called Karma.





However, it all started with the Crusades and it's been going on ever since, regardless of whether or not the controlled media is willing to acknowledge it. It is still a religious war, at a certain level.





The Crusaders did a lot of damage in and around Jerusalem.


A lot of muslims died.





Ever since then, all Christians became the enemy of Islam.





And so the story goes....Unfortunately, the Balkan countries had to suffer because of what the crusaders did, Greece included.





http://draculascastle.com/html/map.html

[Dark Witch]

Greece is in a crucial geographical point. My beautiful country lies in the very edge of Europe next to Asia and Africa not to mention the impotrance of Bosphorus. Also there is alledgedly lots of black gold under our seas. During our history we have suffered many wars and all of them (with the only exception of Alexander the Great) were defencive. But we don't mind, because that way we have learned to love our small country more. :) But enough with Greece already.

[Vlad]

Greece is in a crucial geographical point. My beautiful country lies in the very edge of Europe next to Asia and Africa not to mention the impotrance of Bosphorus. Also there is alledgedly lots of black gold under our seas. During our history we have suffered many wars and all of them (with the only exception of Alexander the Great) were defencive. But we don't mind, because that way we have learned to love our small country more. But enough with Greece already.

Thank God, somebody from a Balkan country recognizes this web site for what it is: An eye opener for the rest of Europe.


Western Europe, to be more specific. Countries like UK, France, Switzerland, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, which went on developing THEIR infrastructure, while the Balkan countries protected them. The Scandinavians were protected also, implicitly.





Nowadays, Western Europe (bastards) question wether or not Balkan countries belong to EUROPE.


The shame is on WESTERN EUROPE, at this point. 02/2006





I always maintained that "were it not for the Balkan countries, the WORLD would be speaking Turkish and/or arabic at this time, including USA", and yet, the Balkan countries are constantly being sacrificed between EAST and WEST, NORTH and SOUTH.





The shame is on WESTERN EUROPE, at this point. 02/2006

[Vlad]

The only conclusion that can be derived from all this:





Balkan Countries should and MUST form their own UNION.





They should become an ENTITY.





They should get together and FIGHT for their RIGHTS to be recognized as an INTEGRAL part of EUROPE.





After all, is it fair for WESTERN EUROPE to prosper, while the Balkan countries/Eastern Europe are being used as a shield, and yet a necessary evil??





Eastern Europeans already resent Western Europe for their opulence and snobbish attitude.





Splitting Europe in 2 halves. Is that what the international bankers had in mind??

[Dark Witch]

When I posted that, I never expected that someone would undrestand me that much. All that you have said is true. Western Europe has known great prosperity during the last years and started being a bit snobbish towards their "poor relatives", the nations of the Balkans. But the fact remains and that is that we are the last remaining border next to Asia and Africa. The Turks challenge us very often with various ways, most frecquently by flying the planes of their airforce over our seas. Yet in all the discussions about Turkey (getting in the E.U. etc) nobody mentions their nerve. How would they behave if they got in E.U.? The western Europeans never support us, altough we are already in the E.U. and the Turks aren't. It's all about each country's interests and it's always about money. Of course, politics is something that I don't think that simple citizens understand. The political games are often done for reasons that we couldn't imagine and the people are the ones that pay the price.

[Vlad]

While both Greece and Turkey belong to NATO, and therefore are supposed to help each other at time of NEED, the friction is still there.





What the New World Order did NOT envision, was the fact that national barriers go deeper than just geographical borders.





We believe that whatever the powers that be had envisioned for a so called "new world order", fell through the cracks, and it continues to fall, while this planet is in DISARRAY.





We all know that. However, the powers that be, including Western Europe and THEIR BANKERS, think otherwise.


It is called as the old Romans would say: "DIVIDE ET IMPERA"





"divide and rule"





Idioms


divide and conquer





Also, divide and govern or rule. Win by getting one's opponents to fight among themselves. For example, Divide and conquer was once a very successful policy in sub-Saharan Africa. This expression is a translation of the Latin maxim, Divide et impera (“divide and ruleâ€

[Dark Witch]

...you have spoken the truth. But what sounds weird to me is that you have stated as your location the city of L.A. Are you an Amerivan citizen? Because I was under the impression that American citizens -for various reasons- feel too secure and don't usually care about these matters. I mean... you are too far away to even know these issues. Do you perhaps come from a european country? Cause if not, you are worthy of many congratulations as a THINKING person of our world (species under extinction). The mature thought is the most important advantage of a human being. Everything starts with that. Cogito ergo sum. Please don't mind my asking. If you think I'm being too personal, send me a private mail or don't answer at all. I'll understand.

[Vlad]

...you have spoken the truth. But what sounds weird to me is that you have stated as your location the city of L.A. Are you an Amerivan citizen? Because I was under the impression that American citizens -for various reasons- feel too secure and don't usually care about these matters. I mean... you are too far away to even know these issues. Do you perhaps come from a european country? Cause if not, you are worthy of many congratulations as a THINKING person of our world (species under extinction). The mature thought is the most important advantage of a human being. Everything starts with that. Cogito ergo sum. Please don't mind my asking. If you think I'm being too personal, send me a private mail or don't answer at all. I'll understand.

Hmm,





Dubito ergo cogito. Cogito ergo SUM.


Rene Descartes??was it?





Some people got stuck at the first statement.


Never to be sure that they EXIST.





Any other "discrete" questions you may need answers to?





PLEASE PM ME...rather than making it all PUBLIC and invite UNWANTED DUBITOS around here.

[Guest]

Ok I come from the Balkans and the Turks owe us much. The Ottmans just appeared somewhen in the 12-13th century and decided to fight "the free people of the world" like Sauron ( I wonder where was Frodo and his ring back then ha ha). They were brutal, no doubt. They ruined our civilization in Constantinople and kept Greece back for four centuries. The Byzantin Empire was so great and it was ended by some barbarians. I can't say they deserved to be impaled but it was a good thing that somebody faught them back. Sometimes extreme violence might have positive results and specifically with the Turks, violence cut their way and held them a bit back. We have an interesting saying in Greece: "bullshit is always returned" (ok the translation sucks, what I mean is that when you do harm you usually get it back later)

As a Turk i dont think we Ottomans were more cruel than Europeans,countries' of people where we invaded were used to live their own religion.Personally i dont find Ottomans forced Romanians to convert Islam unlike its written on many Vlad's website..Since Byzantine empire was fallen down in 1453 Fatih Sulthan Mehmed let foreigners live in Istanbul with their pure religions (or constantinepole etc etc ,whatever you name)


If he had fought to defend his country he wouldnt have also thousands of Romanian villagers


Byzantine emperor ruined by ''barbarians''' ???? tell me pls how many people Ottomans impaled or cut off women' chests (you can find more of Vlad's murdering tactics on every website) ?!?!?In the end of your post you mean that you were Greek,now i feel i am not surprised to read your statemenst full of hate against Turks coming from non true history.

[Guest]

On May 29, 1453, Ottoman forces, under the leadership of Mehmet II, concluded their long and bloody siege of Constantinople by storming the city and overtaking it. According to Crowley, who works in publishing in England;the Ottoman conquest of the city brought to an end centuries of conflict between the Byzantine Empire and Islam. In overwhelming detail and colorless prose, Crowley chronicles the story of an ancient city and its attraction to members of two major religions. Before Mehmet's conquest, Constantinople had faced various unsuccessful sieges, and Crowley faithfully records them. The most destructive events came between 1341 and 1371, when earthquakes and the Black Death devastated the city, turning it into a forlorn series of villages. Although the Byzantine capital recovered enough of its former glory to entice Mehmet to its walls, even he felt tremendous disappointment, finding the city didn't live up to its reputation. Crowley drones through the day-by-day events of Mehmet's siege and the results of the conquest. Perhaps the author's most instructive point, made by others as well, is that Mehmet turned the city into one where religious toleration and multiculturalism flourished.





How can we say there was no religious toleration in Ottomans???

[Vlad]

[quote=As a Turk i dont think we Ottomans were more cruel than Europeans,countries' of people where we invaded were used to live their own religion.Personally i dont find Ottomans forced Romanians to convert Islam unlike its written on many Vlad's website..



....tell me pls how many people Ottomans impaled or cut off women' chests (you can find more of Vlad's murdering tactics on every website) ?!?!?...

My dear Turkish friend (if I may call you so, ARKADASH), first of all, you have to re-read your history and re-discover the simple fact that, Vlad Tepes learned the impaling techniques from your ancestors. He used those techniques against your ancestors, beating them at their own game, having quite a SUCCESS at doing it, and preventing the turks from even coming close to conquering Romania, much less converting Vallachs, Moldavians or Transylvanians to Islam. Thank God.


(if not for any other reason, but for the fact that nobody would have enjoyed women's faces, being covered by burkas...etc)





Second of all, all the anecdotes regarding Vlad Tepes/GHIAURUL (in your language), were obviously the propaganda in fashion at the time.


They were written in Russian, German and Turkish, depending on what nation he impaled when he was under assault.





Any comments?

[Vlad]

HERE COMES KOSOVO region - Ancestral region of the SERBIAN population.
A province of southern Serbia. Settled by Slavs in the seventh century.
The biggest mistake the SERBIANS ever did, was to allow Turks to settle in that region after:
At Kosovo Field, Serbo-Croatian Kosovo Polje [field of the black birds], the Turks under Sultan Murad I defeated Serbia and its Bosnian, Montenegrin, Bulgarian, and other allies in 1389.

The Serbs did not continue fighting, they gave up, and they allowed the CUCKOOS to breed in their NEST. Isn't that called TOLERANCE?
Serbians were tolerant towards TURKS, and look where it got them.

VLAD, on the other hand, would have none of that. He impaled Turk asses all along the way, for all Turks to see, and wonder.

I do believe you and your school fellows still keep wondering, why Turks could never conquer Vallachia, Moldova, Transylvania and the rest of Europe. The answer is Vlad Tepes/The Impaler/Ghiaurul.

[Guest]

You say


####My dear Turkish friend (if I may call you so, ARKADASH), first of all, you have to re-read your history and re-discover the simple fact that, Vlad Tepes learned the impaling techniques from your ancestors. He used those techniques against your ancestors, beating them at their own game, having quite a SUCCESS at doing it, and preventing the turks from even coming close to conquering Romania, much less converting Vallachs, Moldavians or Transylvanians to Islam. Thank God.


(if not for any other reason, but for the fact that nobody would have enjoyed women's faces, being covered by burkas...etc)





Second of all, all the anecdotes regarding Vlad Tepes/GHIAURUL (in your language), were obviously the propaganda in fashion at the time.


They were written in Russian, German and Turkish, depending on what nation he impaled when he was under assault.





Any comments? ####





Himmm..smells just a lil bit nationalism..If i hadnt known enough about his history i wouldnt have written anything here.I know he and his brother Radus spent time in Anatolia as prisoners then he got back to Romania to take revenge from Ottoman Turks and he did MANAGED to do that,he didnt allow Turks invade his country,thats good..Really..He defended his country but that doesnt mean he defended Christendom,Otoomans hadnt been used to fight against natiosn to convert their religion,when you have a clear galnce at Ottoman history you will find out what GENTLEMAN WAR & RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE mean.


Turks have NEVER used IMPALING techniques,you can find NOTHING on hisyory when you googled related with Ottoman history.If you manage to do that show us with information by non-propaganda links.

[Guest]

I repeat he managed to defend his values BUT as a coward.He hit and run away,like todays Iraqi insurgents in Iraq.He had never fought as a gentleman face to face.If you think impaling women (whether Turks or Romanian citizens) is a heroism then its your way to choose.





And he was killed at his FIRST face to face war against Turks near Bucharest in December of 1476.





The Lazy Woman





Dracula once noticed a man working in the fields while wearing a too short caftan. The prince stopped and asked the man whether or not he had a wife. When the man answered in the affirmative Dracula had the woman brought before him and asked her how she spent her days. The poor, frightened woman stated that she spent her days washing, baking and sewing. The prince pointed out her husband's short caftan as evidence of her laziness and dishonesty and ordered her impaled despite her husband's protestations that he was well satisfied with his wife. Dracula then ordered another woman to marry the peasant but admonished her to work hard or she would suffer her predecessor's fate.





Is that heroism? OR just a coward madness?